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"And what then? Do you just let me go?"
Bancroft shrugged. "Why shouldn't we? We may have to keep you here for awhile but soon you will have ceased to matter and can safely be released."
Dalgetty considered. Not even he could do much against truth drugs.
And there were still more radical procedures, prefrontal lobotomy for instance. He s.h.i.+vered. The leatherite straps felt damp against his thin clothing.
He looked at Bancroft. "What do you really want?" he asked. "Why are you working for Bertrand Meade?"
Bancroft's heavy mouth lifted in a smile. "I thought you were supposed to answer the questions," he said.
"Whether I do or not depends on whose questions they are," said Dalgetty. _Stall for time! Put it off, the moment of terror, put it off!_ "Frankly, what I know of Meade doesn't make me friendly. But I could be wrong."
"Mr. Meade is a distinguished executive."
"Uh-huh. He's also the power behind a h.e.l.l of a lot of political figures, including you. He's the real boss of the Actionist movement."
"What do you know of that?" asked the woman sharply.
"It's a complicated story," said Dalgetty, "but essentially Actionism is a--a _Weltanschauung_. We're still recovering from the World Wars and their aftermath. People everywhere are swinging away from great vague capitalized causes toward a cooler and clearer view of life.
"It's a.n.a.logous to the eighteenth-century Enlightenment, which also followed a period of turmoil between conflicting fanaticisms. A belief in reason is growing up even in the popular mind, a spirit of moderation and tolerance. There's a wait-and-see att.i.tude toward everything, including the sciences and particularly the new half-finished science of psychodynamics. The world wants to rest for awhile.
"Well, such a state of mind has its own drawbacks. It produces wonderful structures of thought but there's something cold about them.
There is so little real pa.s.sion, so much caution--the arts, for instance, are becoming ever more stylized. Old symbols like religion and the sovereign state and a particular form of government, for which men once died, are openly jeered at. We can formulate the semantic condition at the Inst.i.tute in a very neat equation.
"And you don't like it. Your kind of man needs something big. And mere concrete bigness isn't enough. You could give your lives to the sciences or to inter-planetary colonization or to social correction, as many people are cheerfully doing--but those aren't for you. Down underneath you miss the universal father-image.
"You want an almighty Church or an almighty State or an almighty _anything_, a huge misty symbol which demands everything you've got and gives in return only a feeling of belonging." Dalgetty's voice was harsh. "In short, you can't stand on your own psychic feet. You can't face the truth that man is a lonely creature and that his purpose must come from within himself."
Bancroft scowled. "I didn't come here to be lectured," he said.
"Have it your way," answered Dalgetty. "I thought you wanted to know what I knew of Actionism. That's it in unprecise verbal language.
Essentially you want to be a Leader in a Cause. Your men, such as aren't merely hired, want to be Followers. Only there isn't a Cause around, these days, except the common-sense one of improving human life."
The woman, Casimir, leaned over the desk. There was a curious intensity in her eyes. "You just pointed out the drawbacks yourself,"
she said. "This _is_ a decadent period."
"No," said Dalgetty. "Unless you insist on loaded connotations. It's a necessary period of rest. Recoil time for a whole society--well, it all works out neatly in Tighe's formulation. The present state of affairs should continue for about seventy-five years, we feel at the Inst.i.tute. In that time, reason can--we hope--be so firmly implanted in the basic structure of society that when the next great wave of pa.s.sion comes it won't turn men against each other.
"The present is, well, a.n.a.lytic. While we catch our breath we can begin to understand ourselves. When the next synthetic--or creative or crusading period, if you wish--comes, it will be saner than all which have gone before. And man can't afford to go insane again. Not in the same world with the lithium bomb."
Bancroft nodded. "And you in the Inst.i.tute are trying to control this process," he said. "You're trying to stretch out the period of--d.a.m.n it, of decadence! Oh, I've studied the modern school system too, Dalgetty. I know how subtly the rising generation is being indoctrinated--through policies formulated by _your_ men in the government."
"Indoctrinated? Trained, I would say. Trained in self-restraint and critical thinking." Dalgetty grinned with one side of his mouth.
"Well, we aren't here to argue generalities. Specifically Meade feels he has a mission. He is the natural leader of America--ultimately, through the U.N., in which we are still powerful, the world. He wants to restore what he calls 'ancestral virtues'--you see, I've listened to his speeches and yours, Bancroft.
"These virtues consist of obedience, physical _and_ mental, to 'const.i.tuted authority'--of 'dynamism,' which operationally speaking means people ought to jump when he gives an order--of .... Oh, why go on? It's the old story. Power hunger, the recreation of the Absolute State, this time on a planetary scale.
"With psychological appeals to some and with promises of reward to others he's built up quite a following. But he's shrewd enough to know that he can't just stage a revolution. He has to make people want him.
He has to reverse the social current until it swings back to authoritarianism--with him riding the crest.
"And that of course is where the Inst.i.tute comes in. Yes, we have developed theories which make at least a beginning at explaining the facts of history. It was a matter not so much of gathering data as of inventing a rigorous self-correcting symbology and our paramathematics seems to be just that. We haven't published all of our findings because of the uses to which they could be put. If you know exactly how to go about it you can shape world society into almost any image you want--in fifty years or less! You want that knowledge of ours for your purposes!"
Dalgetty fell silent. There was a long quietness. His own breathing seemed unnaturally loud.
"All right." Bancroft nodded again, slowly. "You haven't told us anything we don't know."
"I'm well aware of that," said Dalgetty.
"Your phrasing was rather unfriendly," said Bancroft. "What you don't appreciate is the revolting stagnation and cynicism of this age."
"Now you're using the loaded words," said Dalgetty. "Facts just _are_.
There's no use pa.s.sing moral judgments on reality, the only thing you can do is try to change it."
"Yes," said Bancroft. "All right then, we're trying. Do you want to help us?"
"You could beat the h.e.l.l out of me," said Dalgetty, "but it wouldn't teach you a science that it takes years to learn."
"No, but we'd know just what you have and where to find it. We have some good brains on our side. Given your data and equations they can figure it out." The pale eyes grew wholly chill. "You don't seem to appreciate your situation. You're a prisoner, understand?"
Dalgetty braced his muscles. He didn't reply.
Bancroft sighed. "Bring him in," he said.
One of the guards went out. Dalgetty's heart stumbled. _Dad_, he thought. It was anguish in him. Casimir walked over to stand in front of him. Her eyes searched his.
"Don't be a fool," she said. "It hurts worse than you know. Tell us."
He looked up at her. _I'm afraid_, he thought. _G.o.d knows I'm afraid._ His own sweat was acrid in his nostrils. "No," he said.
"I tell you they'll do everything!" She had a nice voice, low and soft, but it roughened now. Her face was colorless with strain. "Go on man, don't condemn yourself to--mindlessness!"
There was something strange here. Dalgetty's senses began to reach out. She was leaning close and he knew the signs of horror even if she tried to hide them. _She's not so hard as she makes out--but then why is she with them?_
He threw a bluff. "I know who you are," he said. "Shall I tell your friends?"
"No, you don't!" She stepped back, rigid, and his whetted senses caught the fear-smell. In a moment there was control and she said, "All right then, have it your way."
And underneath, the thought, slowed by the gluiness of panic, _Does he know I'm FBI?_
_FBI!_ He jerked against the straps. Ye G.o.ds!
Calmness returned to him as she walked to her chief but his mind whirred. Yes, why not? Inst.i.tute men had little connection with the Federal detectives, who, since the abolition of a discredited Security, had resumed a broad function. They might easily have become dubious about Bertrand Meade on their own, have planted operatives with him. They had women among them too and a woman was always less conspicuous than a man.
He felt a chill. The last thing he wanted was a Federal agent here.
The door opened again. A quartet of guards brought in Michael Tighe.
The Briton halted, staring before him. "_Simon!_" It was a harsh sound, full of pain.